Although Alok Sharma, the Cop26 president, has generally impressed environmentalists with the seriousnessness with which he has taken preparations for the summit, the same cannot be said for Boris Johnson. He took a holiday two weeks ago, he is unwilling to accept the possible downsides of moving to net zero, and this morning he asked for advice on his negotiating strategy from a room full of children. (See 11.52pm.) In 1980, when the then US president Jimmy Carter spoke about consulting his 13-year-old daughter about nuclear policy, he produced a soundbite seen as fatal to his presidential campaign.
Johnson’s intervention was harmless by comparison (in the 1980s US analogy, he is much more Ronald Reagan than the priggish Jimmy Carter), and he was clearly just humouring his audience. But there are probably better ways of making the point that Cop26 is an issue of intergenerational justice. And environmentalists would love to hear him engage seriously with the Cop26 issues, instead of joking about feeding people to animals.
That said, Johnson made a provocative argument about plastics during his Q&A (albeit one that could undermine support for recycling initiatives). Here are the key points he made.
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Johnson said that he was “very worried” about the Cop26 summit failing. Referring to the difficulty of getting an agreement to deliver net zero by 2050, he said:
I think it can be done. It will be very very tough, this summit, and I’m very worried because it might go wrong and we might not get the agreements that we need, and it’s touch and go. It’s very, very difficult. But I think it can be done.
He said there would be a lot of “peer pressure” on countries at the summit to produce proper net zero plans. But, he went on, “it’s very, very far from clear that we will get the progress that we need”.
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He dismissed plastic recycling as an enviromental “red herring”, saying what mattered was cutting plastic use. He said:
The issue with plastics is recycling isn’t the answer, I’ve got to be honest with you. Recycling – you’re not going to like this –
You can only recycle plastic a couple of times, really, and what you got to do is stop the production of plastic, stop the the first use of plastic. The recycling thing is a red herring.
Johnson’s remark led to an embarrassing disagreement with his fellow speaker at the event, WWF UK’s chief executive, Tanya Steele. After Johnson described recycling as a red herring, Steele suggested he had gone a bit too far. She said:
We have to reduce, we have to reuse – I do think we need to do a little bit of recycling, PM, and have some system to do so.
But Johnson interrupted, effectively contradicting her. He said:
It doesn’t work. I don’t want to be doctrinaire about this but – if people think that we can recycle our way out of the problem, we will be making a huge mistake. We need to reduce our use [of plastics], we need far, far less.
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Johnson named Coca-Cola as one of 12 global companies “producing the overwhelming bulk of the world’s plastics”. He said these companies needed to find alternative types of packaging.
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He joked about feeding people to animals as a means of addressing the imbalance in nature. After Steele said that 97% of mammals on the planet were humans and their livestock, and just 3% was “left for the wild”, Johnson said that was “so sad”. He added: “We could feed some of the human beings to the animals.”